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Out where the dreams are high

Straight to the valley of the great divide


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CT was kind of like some terrible reality show (possibly about New Jersey) but more about that later. For now, a meme.

Stolen (as almost always, it seems) from lowriseflare:

Hit me with a fandom/character/pairing and I'll list my three most unpopular opinions about it. (Point being, I don't guarantee they'll be unpopular. Just that they'll be opinions. I say this only because often I have no idea what the popular opinion is.)

You guys, I am not too proud to beg. Talk to me and give me fannish stuff to think about while I try to do the approximately 12 thousand things I should be doing to organize life. You can tell me your opinions, too! And I hope everyone has a fantastic weekend.

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Renee Walker!

Know what I'm doing right now, to avoid editing? Organizing and backing up ALL MY WRITING SINCE THE HISTORY OF EVER. Talk about tedious.On the bright side, I found some sweet Hanson RPF that I thought was lost and gone forever.

(Also, do you have time to read something this weekend? It's not fic. Truthfully, I don't know what the fuck it is.)

Meanwhile, I'm glad you got back from CT okay, and obviously would love to hear all the gory details. We spent the 4th drinking cocktails at a beach house like the most Cheever-esque of WASPs,

Ahahahaha. Renee. *flails* She definitely falls into the category of "I don't know what the unpopular opinion is." Whatever. But here are three opinions, in any case:

1. She's the coolest female law enforcement officer (trying to think of a blanket statement there) ever, and she wins mucho bonus points for having hair a real FBI agent (or cop) could actually have and for wearing sensible shoes.
2. Her "waffling" on torture at the beginning of S7 IS NOT WEAKNESS. She's an effing FBI agent who's trying to do her job.
3. Anyone who thinks she's a woobie in S8 has clearly never met Jack.

I do have time to read something this weekend, but promise you'll tell me if there is a specific time deadline you need me to meet, because my brain is even more sieve-like than usual at the moment.

Hanson RPF yay! Oh man, that's amazing. It's like my Silk Stalkings fanfic.

I will attempt to put together an email of gory details, promise. Mostly it was just like, wow, there are actually people in the world who live an existence that never takes money into consideration. ODD. I did paddleboard though, which made me feel hip and skilled. Okay it totally didn't make me feel either of those things, but the paddleboarding part is true!

and she wins mucho bonus points for having hair a real FBI agent (or cop) could actually have and for wearing sensible shoes.

See also: Olivia Dunham, Fringe

Absolutely. See in your icon? Olivia has a hair tie!

Olivia also shows doesn't seem to wear a lot of makeup.

My Confusing Lesbian Feelings, let me show you them.


I think it was Kay who said something about how you could tell Renee was all damaged in 8x04 "because of all the eyeliner." Magically after she had her psychic break and took a shower, it vanished. Lulz, TV.

Laura Roslin. :)

Fannish thing to think about: What Renee would do when she noticed, while doing laundry, that Jack has been carrying around her picture in his pocket.

LAURA.

Oh man srsly. What are the unpopular opinions about her? LOL. Well, three opinions of some sort you get.

1. Any and all of the horrible things she did/allowed to be done to Gaius Baltar were beyond justified. It was justified. There are no other times.
2. It was always super funny to watch her with Lee Adama, because frak, the dude never figured out exactly how far out of his league he was every last time she spoke. She's a better person than I am for not flat decking his smug ass.
3. I'm not even sure how to phrase this one, because I'm not exactly Captain Articulate of the Spaceship Poetry today. But I adore the way she demonstrated in almost every episode that being fucking badass and being feminine were not incompatible. And that you don't have to carry a weapon or even threaten violence in order to be badass. She is just SO BADASS. I mean everybody thinks Starbuck's the tough chick on that show, but I swear in the end, I'd put money on Roslin in that battle.

As for the fannish thing . . . gah. WHY DO YOU DO THIS TO ME?

Hey man! You ASKED for fannish thoughts. You said, and I quote, you weren't too proud to beg. THAT should be something to think about as you do laundry.

I agree with everything you said about Roslin! I think it's funny, because Lee always tried too hard. Lee already was good, and he didn't have to go throwing his sanctimonious garbage in the faces of the people who have to make all the hard decisions. It's easy to be a critic when you're not the one responsible for the consequences faced by all of dwindling humanity, and that's something only Laura and Bill could ever understand. THAT is probably a really unpopular BSG opinion.

Edited at 2012-07-06 06:33 pm (UTC)

I should think about not being too proud to beg? Sing me and Jack's song? LULZ.

It's easy to be a critic when you're not the one responsible for the consequences faced by all of dwindling humanity, and that's something only Laura and Bill could ever understand.

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YES. I just was always like. WELL THAT'S GREAT LEE, AND YOU HAVE A VERY CHISELED JAW AND THAT LITTLE MUSCLE THAT POINTS TO YOUR PEEN, BUT SRSLY, YOU ARE A MORON.

Is what I was like.

Right? I cannot even stand the cute of that graphic.

She is the most adorable, I can't even. <3 Also, I will ask you for your Hunger Games feelings (the series overall, not just the first book, just to clarify)

I know. Her death is the worst.

Yikes, you ask the hard things! Although probably I have way too many unpopular THG opinions. Here are three:

1. Peeta is overall pretty annoying. Honestly, this is pure opinion (clearly, because tons of people love him and I get that an equally valid case can be made for him not being annoying at all), but he just didn't that much take with me as a character. I don't hate him, but I never really loved his relationship with Katniss the way so many people do. I get that they're the only people left who really understand what went down, so it didn't bother me that they wound up married with children, but I just didn't ship them. At all.
2. All the careers in the first book are also annoying. (There's one that would get me a bazillion rotten tomatoes were I to mess in the fandom for real!)
3. Prim was 99% symbol and 1% character.

That makes it sound as if I only have negative opinions! I have super positive opinions, too. I just think those aren't unpopular, LOL.

Edited at 2012-07-06 07:17 pm (UTC)

LOL CRYING AT #1 because I agree, tbh. I mean, obviously we have different opinions re: the end of Mockingjay, but I never felt much for Peeta, either- I didn't hate him, but I just found him kind of boring. I feel like he was more of a symbol to Katniss, like "Look at this good, sweet, caring guy who thinks you're wonderful and can bring out this softness and warmth in you!" And then the fact that Katniss had this whole relationship with him based on the fact that she felt like she owed him everything and ashfjkashf it just felt so...wrong to me.

The only thing that interested me about Peeta was the way that he used his words and could be manipulative in that way, because I feel that that gave him more depth as a character. What I really want to know is his backstory, because I feel like his relationship with his mother was nine shades of fucked up, and I wonder what his parents' relationship was like with one another, and how he started out learning to use words to gain power. THAT would make him interesting to me. But as he is in the books, not so much.

And yeah, Prim was definitely almost entirely a symbol. =/

SORRY FOR RAMBLING I'M OBNOXIOUS AND HAVE A LOT OF FEELINGS

One thing that amuses me about my own psychology is the fact that I can be totally obsessed with books without really shipping anything in them, but that doesn't seem to happen with TV. In fact, I think it just does NOT happen with TV where I'm concerned. But it happens in books all the times. Wow, I could not love the TGH trilogy more. And Harry Potter. But I didn't ship anything in those books really, save minor stuff like Finnick/Annie or Snape/Lily.

I feel evil even fussing about anything in THG, because Collins is so brilliant that it's like any complaints of mine are small. What she does on a story level is fantastic, so if a couple of her characters aren't as fully fleshed out as I would love them to be, I can absolutely forgive her that one!

But so much yes to what you said about Peeta using his words. I love Collins for having him not ALWAYS use them for the good.

OMG HOW CUTE is that pic of Rue!?

RUE!!!


Isn't it the BEST? Tumblr is good for some things;)

*snugs your Larry icon*

Meh, I'm sorry CT was like a terrible reality show D: *hugs* I'm so glad you're back home now and away from all of that.

Feelings on seasons 1-7 of XF!

I am just . . . soaking in all the relative quiet! (I mean, ahahaha. The kids are not always quiet, but in comparison . . .)

Wow, like WHAT? All my feelings on Seasons 1-7? Bwahahahaha. That would be something like a 12 volume series. But I'll give you three feelings off the top of my head.

1. I'm not sure there's ever been a show in which the actual "sex" (as in, not to put too fine a point on it, the whole penis entering the vagina thing) was almost irrelevant to a ship. I have some issues with Chris Carter (nothing in comparison to my HoGo issues!), but I can't get over how well he handled that. On any other show, it would have been with the previews for ten million years, like, "Finally, the moment fans have been waiting for." And then there would have been some crazy scene with lots of nudity and/or weird editing, resulting in approximately two million tumblr .gifs. Not for XF though! It just . . . happened. And the show went on. It wasn't a "very special episode." BECAUSE THEY WERE ALREADY ENTIRELY TOGETHER. Ahem. Wow, apparently I had more feelings on that particular subject than I thought.
2. David Duchovny really cannot act. His chemistry with Gillian is off the charts and he's way decent at playing a slight variation on himself. But he always left the heavy lifting to Gillian, and for that I'm inevitably grateful. (See Redux II, in which he tries to cry and I try not to laugh.)
3. Every other remotely romantic show since XF has tried to recreate what Mulder and Scully do with nonverbal communication in every single episode.

On any other show, it would have been with the previews for ten million years, like, "Finally, the moment fans have been waiting for." And then there would have been some crazy scene with lots of nudity and/or weird editing, resulting in approximately two million tumblr .gifs.
*snort* So true. Word to everything you said for that point.

And I totally agree re: the nonverbal communication thing- I mean, of course there are moments of nonverbal communication I love in all my ships, but there are certain shows/ships I've watched where people are all like "OMG THE WAY THEY LOOK AT EACH OTHER ASHFAKJSHFSJKAFHA" and I feel like...okay, this is not progressing, it's really frustrating. But I NEVER felt that there was a lack of progression in Mulder/Scully's relationship. Even though there were some times when the sexual tension was so ajkshfajkghkajgh that I was like WHY AREN'T YOU FUCKING YET, that was just a tribute to how fucking amazing they are, not frustration with the show/ship itself.

Even though there were some times when the sexual tension was so ajkshfajkghkajgh that I was like WHY AREN'T YOU FUCKING YET, that was just a tribute to how fucking amazing they are, not frustration with the show/ship itself.

YES. It's such a feat of incredible genius to pull that off. Because clearly, being ME, I wanted them to be fucking from like, the first ep. But somehow, I managed to watch for almost seven seasons during which they were NOT fucking, and I still loved every minute of the show and my brain didn't break from the sexual tension. I still think that for me, it's about the fact that the sex was frosting. They were already 110% devoted to each other, and even the way the sexual tension was played changed over the years. It was all so brilliant and subtle and evolving. *flails*

Oh, man. I am reading the best X-Files fic right now. It's seriously 900 pages long, but it's really good. Excerpt:

"I need meaning, some kind of" -- she was blushing now -- "larger purpose. What?"

"You should see yourself, Scully."

She pursed her lips, forced the excess color from her face and picked up a chunk of watermelon. "Do we have napkins, Mulder? This is messy." She licked the trailing juices from her fingers.

"I got rid of them all so I could watch you do that."

You're reading a 900 page fic? Damn!

Aw, Mulder! He would totally do that. And tell her why if it was in one of the later seasons. *squees*

I am pretty much dying to know where some good Roslin/Adama fic is. Spoiler alert: It is not anyplace where I can easily find it. I tried a few on AO3 the other day but they were . . . disappointing. Woe:-(

Yeah, and it's part three of a three-part series. I had to load it onto my Kobo. But it's really good.

I know nothing of any Roslin/Adama fic. You'll just have to write some. *looks innocent*

Did you read XF fic back in the day or is this a new thing for you? Because XF is where I really discovered that fanfiction actually exists. It's honestly pretty embarrassing how much time my 26-28 year old self spent on the net until god knows when, when I should have been doing something either teachery or grad schooly. SO MUCH FIC, SO LITTLE TIME!

No fandom has ever done it better, honestly.

I can't write Roslin/Adama. Seriously. Well right now I can't write anything, but I certainly can't write Roslin/Adama! Idk. I'm not . . . what is even the damn adjective? Whatever they are, I'm not enough it;)

Winona Hawkins!

Hey, man, I'm predictable like the quadratic formula, okay.

I am sorry to hear that the holiday went pear-shaped, but I'm glad you survived. <333

Oh lulz, nothing went pear-shaped. It was pretty much what I predicted, only sort of on crack? Seriously sometimes life is awesome just for the stories you come away with, and this was one of those times.

Winona! I'm not sure anything I'm about to say counts as an unpopular opinion, because truly I have no idea what the fandom thinks of her. But:

1. She become immediately more interesting to me when she left Raylan.
2. She knows a lot more about Raylan than he knows about himself.
3. I don't think she's wrong to wish that Raylan would choose a different life. I realize it would make a different show and all and that's not the story they're telling, but I don't think that makes her a lame character. Raylan makes crappy choices, man! Seriously crappy choices. He looks good making 'em though;)

Chloe O'Brian.

I look forward to reading about your family drama.



Edited at 2012-07-06 08:58 pm (UTC)

Oh noez, you asked about Chloe! I haven't gone into this much since the great debacle of S8, but I probably have a whole lot of unpopular fandom opinions about Chloe. I'll keep them tame here;)

1. She wasn't the most interesting woman ever to be on 24.
2. She was entirely NOT an acceptable emotional cookie for Jack's epic manpain at the end of the series. I didn't find that ending satisfying even a little, and despite my rep, the reasons for that go way beyond Renee.
3. She's devoted to Jack in a way that he's not to her, which ultimately makes their friendship unbalanced in a way I find uncomfortable. I really do love them in a lot of ways, but of course they have to make everything beyond nuts in S8. Bleah!

Hee, family drama. It was really extended family drama and the rest of us trying to live through the fallout. So happy to be back in my own humble space.

Chloe somehow managed to have a son and remarry through the last two seasons, giving her a much more normal life than Jack's. It was a super one-sided relationship as you point out. My wank it that Chloe had so much emotion invested in Jack that she couldn't back away from him no matter how deep a hole he dug. Chloe must have looked at Jack as some sort of bad boy baby brother she had to take care of. Or something. I gave you this one because I KNOW you have Chloe issues!

I DID like her being HBIC of CTU. It's one of the very, very things I liked about Day 8.

Well, in some twisted revisionist universe, I should actually take the decision to kill Renee rather than Chloe as evidence of the fact that Renee was more important to Jack. Jack's wild off-the-wall rampage wouldn't have made any sense if Chloe had been the one snuffed (not that it made all that much sense anyway, but whatevs).

I was so angry at Jack when 8x01 opened, because Chloe begged him to stay and help and he was just walking out until Renee popped back into the fray. I mean he leaves Chloe in the middle of a conversation in 8x04 to head in and talk to Renee. Sure, I find it shippy because I'm weak, but ugh, that's no way to treat your friends. And then final part where he was like, "It was always you, Chloe!" was just sloppy writing.

I missed almost all of Chloe being the CTU HBIC, and I'm sure that was pretty epic. It's just that I'm a mom, and Chloe went to freakin' jail for who knows how long (until we get a movie, we won't have a clue!), all to theoretically defend a man who voluntarily fucked up his own life so badly he can never come back to his own country. She has a KID. It makes no sense whatsoever.

Hee, look at me rant. Day 8, source of endless rant material for me!

I'm such a fan of a revisionist universe for Day 8. In fact, I STILL pretend that Day 8 was a Jack coma dream. Poor Jack, even when he's in a coma he dosn't get the day off.

Glad you're back. Suck that it was weird, but yay, paddleboarding!

I'm waiting for Mr. Tiger to finish a meeting and then we're heading out to the cabin again. We came in Tuesday night for meetings on Wednesday, and stayed for the Stampede Parade this morning. It was pretty fun.

I think all of the fandom questions have been covered. Except, maybe, if Raylan's mother had lived, would he have become a criminal like his daddy, or still a lawman?


Oh, it wasn't weird really as much as just SO not our normal framework. If I have the energy at some point, I'll try to compose an entry that hits the highlights. Lowlights? Hmmmmm. But yeah, yay paddleboarding! I'm honestly glad I tried it because now I know that actually, it would be somewhat difficult on the ocean, and that way I can save 40 bucks or whatever when we go to DE.

Stampede Parade? That sounds awesome! I'm so glad you're getting to spend so much time at the cabin. The temps here are currently such that being outdoors is mostly unbearable. I think a slight dip is coming, so I will cross my fingers.

Raylan and his daddy! I'm still so . . . annoyed by the whole issue with his stance on the baby. Or at least what his stance on the baby was when I peaced out on the entire show not even halfway through S3. But huh. I somehow can't really picture Raylan making a good criminal. I figure if Boyd Crowder couldn't talk him over to the dark side after all these years, pretty much nothing is going to change Raylan's mind. I really do wish the show gave more of a backstory on his mom, because they use that a lot in vague ways, and it's intriguing as hell, don't you think?

I would love some mom backstory!

We aren't very far into S3 yet. I really miss the crime of the week. So far the only reaction Raylan's had has been the usually "OMG! Let me place my hands tenderly on your belly!" kind. I might be missing something.

Oh! Well when you get further into it, I will seriously be oh so fascinated to hear what you have to say. I still keep trying to motivate to watch the last eps, and after seeing some .gifs from the finale, I just can't bring myself to do it! I am certainly an evolving creature when it comes to TV habits, if nothing else.

Due to both of our resurgence of Harry Potter feelings lately, Harry Potter! XD

Oh man do I have some probably super unpopular HP opinions. I'll put down three, and the second I do, I'll think of 12 more. But as with THG, I feel the need to say that any nitpicking about Rowling starts out as ridiculous to me. When I can write seven giant books with hundreds of characters who have speaking parts and a mythology the size of Jupiter, then I have the right to talk. So, with that preface, possibly unpopular opinions:

1. James Potter was a fucking git douchebag, and I have no idea why Lily ever liked or married him or why Lupin and Sirius were always his best pals.
2. Hermione is undoubtedly the most complex, fascinating character of the central friendship triumvirate. Yes, the story is named after Harry, but from the beginning, Hermione is the emotional glue of the entire series.
3. No idea whether this is unpopular or not, but Rowling's decision to announce that Dumbledore was gay pissed off every last inch of me. I HAD NEVER ONCE THOUGHT OF DUMBLEDORE'S SEXUALITY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. To do that cheapened him as a character, not in any way because she said he was gay (I would have had exactly the same reaction had she come out and said that he was a womanizing dick), but because she took him down a peg and made him like everyone else. His glory, to me, was that his presence transcended so many human foibles. I have no idea whether that makes sense at all or not, but it's a huge thing with me.

James Potter was a fucking git douchebag
LOL. So true. I mean, of course we only got that one flashback scene of him, but like...yeah. I was never a fan of him either. Although, to be fair, Sirius was probably the same way at that age and he's one of my favorite characters in the series. so.

It bothered me that she said that Dumbledore was gay, too, because like...it felt to me as if she wanted to say she'd created a gay character without actually taking the time to express it in the series? Not that his sexuality needed to define who he was, but I feel like if she did want to go in that direction with Dumbledore, she should've made it clear in the series and taken the time to show a wise, loved, admired character who WAS gay, to provide that positive model for people to see while reading, not just randomly state it after she'd finished writing the series. But I get your point, too, that he kind of seemed like this ethereal person who was on an entirely different level than everyone else, and then all of a sudden she's like "LOL JUST KIDDING!!!"

Yes, exactly -- what you said about Dumbledore! Had he been introduced as a gay character, that would have been awesome, because as far as I'm concerned (from a story point of view anyway) he's the most important character in the series besides Harry. But then she was just like, after all the books are over, "Oh, and also he's gay!" And I'm like O_O. I just feel it was handled so lamely, and I still stick to my original point that one of the things that made Dumbledore an amazing character was that you didn't think about his sexuality at all. Yes, it's a huge step forward to have more gay characters in every single type of storytelling out there. In my opinion, it's also a step forward to realize that not every story has to be about who you want to put your penis in (or whether or not you wish to have a penis in you).

But that's just my very humble opinion.

Yeah, I completely agree- I never thought about Dumbledore's sexuality at all, either, and to have her come out and say that he's gay a few months after the books were over is just not the right way to do it at all, in my opinion.

Also, I know you've had this icon for a while, but I just need to say how much I love it. It's so beautiful, and the relationship between the three of them is my favorite thing.

I love that icon. I don't really do OT3s, to be honest, but they are a giant exception. I guess I'm glad that they all got happily married off to the people they loved, but for me that was never the ultimate point. They way that they were always in it together, world without end, is the central reason those books will always own a piece of my heart.

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