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Out where the dreams are high

Straight to the valley of the great divide


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The fake deer in my neighbors' yard is staring at me.
8x10 Renee phone
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So naturally, another meme stolen from lowriseflare:

Ask me a fandom-related question in the comments. This can be fandom specific, general, or about fandom/lj stuff/fic writing/etc. in general. Questions can be as wacky as you want. Ask me about tv shows, characters, fanfic in general, fandom issues/meta, anything about any of my stories specifically. Whatever you want.

Help distract me while I dive into the Monday life organization cycle? Ask awesome questions and I'll ask you back! I love these damn things.

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What's your biggest fandom regret? What's one fic you would will into existance right this minute if you could? What's the most useful thing fandom has taught you?

I'm all over this, but can you clarify for me what you mean by "fandom regret?" Perhaps I'm just super stupid today.

Sure! Like, for example: personally, I regret my crush on Christopher Meloni.

Fics I would will into this world:

Any Jack/Renee fic not by me (and not suckish;)
More specifically, a tale of how Jack and Renee got together after S7, even with both of them still working.
And also all the babyfic with Meredith
Also, a fic in which Roslin does not die and she and Adama have to keep fighting the good fight together, and in which there are many delightful moments of them breaking pencils, giggling like teenagers on a first date, and looking at each other the way the DO, which gives me googly feelings in the pit of my stomach.

The most useful thing fandom has taught me? WOW THAT IS A TRULY GREAT QUESTION, SERIOUSLY. I think the most useful thing fandom has taught me is that people are mercurial, and that is okay, and that I need to trust myself with 100% less validation. Wow, I have no idea if that makes sense.

You mean, like, in terms of comments and stuff? Elaborate!

Would you have been more OK with Renee's death if she had gone out in a more heroic fashion, a la George Mason or Bill Buchanan?

The answer to this question is complicated, as is pretty much anything in my brain when it comes to Renee. Basically, yes and no? LOL.

Nothing could have made me okay with Renee's death, because for all the reasons I've stated a million times in a million places, I think it was a stupid, misogynist, derivative decision on the part of the writers.

However, if they had to kill her, do I wish that she could have gone out in a blaze of glory? I guess yes, that would have been preferable. But most people seem to forget the part where she got shot in the middle of a phone call Jack told her to leave alone. S8 was such a clusterfuck that the badassery part is easy to forget.

Bwah. I will shut up now.

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I know you're not really into sitcoms/comedies so much, but have there ever been any comedy shows that you've really loved? (You may have mentioned already, but I can't remember at the moment)

I probably come off as not loving comedy ever at all, but that's only because comedy never eats my brain. I loved the following shows a whole lot, at various points in my life:

1. Three's Company
2. I Dream of Jeannie
3. Bewitched
4. The Wonder Years
5. The Simpsons
6. King of the Hill
7. That '70s Show
8. Whose Line Is It Anyway?
9. Malcolm in the Middle
10. Daria

I'm sure the list could go on and on. Those are just a few that spring to mind! As I said, it's not that I don't love them. I just don't think about them in the shower or whatever;)

I have two questions. I will ask them in separate comments.

1) Will you write me a fanfic today involving Jack and Renee and the number 5?

Yes.

It might be short, suckish, and make no sense, but I will write it.

What's one moment in all of 24 that you'd like to see an extension of? And you can't say the sex in 8x17. I'd like you to pick something else and describe what more you'd have liked to see.

Also, what are your favorite most things about Adama and Roslin's relationship? Pick three! (for example, #1 for me is probably THE WAY HE LOOKS AT HER)

Wow, the answer to the first question is so hard, because there are a million different places I wanted more. Damn real time on the show I can't manage not to love.

Probably the most honest answer is that I wanted anything more of the conversation after Vlad's stabbing in 8x07. She was finally so ready to spill the truth about all the crap she'd been bottling (SEE THE PART WHERE I STILL FLAIL THINKING ABOUT THE WAY HER EYES ARE BACK), and dammit, we got so little of that.

Honorable mention goes to the part where she comes upon Jack sitting by Bill's body, the part right after Jack finds out that Tony is a lying douchebag, AND OMG, THE DEBRIEF OF LOVE (no, not the one in 8x17) THAT WE NEVER GOT TO SEE IN 7X16.

Roslin and Adama!

1. What you said. No, seriously.
2. Their raw delight in each other's presence, the way he makes her laugh like nothing else, the way the energy in the room changes every time they walk into it. And no, that's not more than one thing in my brain.
3. Bill's rejection of the manly man trope. I adore him with all my heart for being willing to just say how he feels, for being willing to cry, for being willing to head out in a goddamn spaceship with a tattered book on the off chance that she isn't dead.

Because, sine qua non. *flails*

Edited at 2012-06-18 02:28 pm (UTC)

What would you change about fandom? And if you could do it all over again, would you? (Friends excluded.)

I would change all the idiocy that results in posts like this.

My point being, FFS people. Get a grip. Nobody's curing cancer here. Stop taking your fandomy ass so seriously and realize that we're all here to have fun and take a break from the real lives that most of us do have. So. STFU. LOL.

Basically I would make all of fandom like my LJ friends, yep.

Would I do it all over again? I mean of course, but when you say "friends excluded" that's harder. Because for me, fandom is all about the friends. I have so many RL friends now as a direct result of fandom, so in the end, I have no idea how to separate the idea of fandom from the idea of friends. At this point no, I probably wouldn't be here if it weren't for the awesome people, because of the stupidity you see above.

What are the three factors that would cause you to consider taking on a new fandom? (And by 'taking on' I mean 'being a part of' not 'kicking the ass of.')

This is not a serious answer, but S is obsessed with:

weather,
hot male arms,
epic sacrifices that are altruistic and selfless in nature,
apocalyptic themes.

I BET THAT IS YOUR LIST, S. Except for weather.


I'm now laughing, because seriously, A is right more or less. We share a fandom brain.

Okay but seriously, I think it would take an awful lot to get me to participate in fandom in any active way ever again. I'm not saying it will never happen, because I never say never, but 24 fucked me but good, and I'm not looking to sign up for that well, ever again. I mean GEEZ. I can't even watch the end of BSG and I find the concept of Roslin's death so much less upsetting than Renee's is.

I DON'T KNOW.

I guess if there was some crazy chemistry, apocalyptic goodness, and altruism vomiting itself everywhere, I might at least check it out;)

I'd love to know how fandom has changed the way you approach or take in new canon. (This presupposes that is has, bwah. It's all right if it's non-applicable!)

Also, because I am a curious motherfucker: In Bizarro World, you are (hypothetically) walking away from the 24 fandom. What will you miss most about writing Renee?

THESE ARE REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS.

Hell yes, fandom has changed the way I take in new canon, but I think it's all a giant clusterfuck if I try to explain how. In semi-short, I now know what fandom is likely to do to canon (as in, if two guys expression any type of affection for each other whatsoever, or hell, even sit in the same room, there will immediately be slash). So I think it makes me much more reticent to jump into any actual fandom than I would have been in the past. As I was saying somewhere else in this thread -- even if I wanted to play in The Avengers fandom sandbox (which I don't), I would be way beyond scared to even head there.

Fandom has taught me how wedded people can be to their own idea of what happens when the show's not on. And naive though I'm sure it was, I didn't know that before -- not even before 24, because before 24 I was only messing in places where everybody agreed with me. So 24 was an education, and in a good way.

I'm still laughing at your second question, mainly because it provokes a WHAT, I CAN QUIT ANYTIME response in me, and we all know what that means.

I guess the shortest answer would be that I would (god, I can't even use the word "will" -- someone get my meds STAT) miss writing a character I feel that I get as well as I hope I get her. I mean maybe I'm 100% wrong and I don't get her at all. I understand that this is possible.

But you know that scene in Love Actually with the giant notecards and the "To me you are perfect?"

Well, to me Renee is perfect (Jack is, too, and that's why they never stop eating my brain). And I don't mean perfect as in human perfection. I mean perfect as the exact archetype of a character I'm destined to love. So I'd miss perfection, apparently.

That just made me sound really gay, didn't it? Not that there's anything wrong with that.

eta: I mean. If someone told you that you could never write another word about Kate, or Raylan, or whatever, wouldn't that make your heart do a thing?

Edited at 2012-06-19 01:42 am (UTC)

Dude, Avengers has blown the fuck up. I am way too lazy to attempt to seek out the good stuff over at Archive of Our Own, so I wait to see recs from people I adore come down the pike. /useless

Fandom has taught me how wedded people can be to their own idea of what happens when the show's not on.

You know, this is probably one of the most incisive and succinct observations about fandom, uh, ever. And I mean that! I am mostly just sitting here nodding at my screen, because it's so true. (I mean, Lord knows I have filled in the gaps between Day Two and Day Three so many times in my own brain, I've blurred the line between canon and headcanon to a ridic level. Ahahaha.)

Okay, so the Love Actually analogy alone made my heart do a thing. (And now I really want to curl up with that DVD when I get home tonight.) It doesn't make you sound gay, bwah -- it makes you sound like a writer who is committed to doing justice to a much-loved character.

And not writing characters I adore would totally make my heart do a thing! This is a justified thing! (In all honesty, it was a mean-ass question; I was just really curious as to what your answer would be. *halo*)

Also, randomly, when you say you'd miss perfection? I can't get that scene from Bed of Roses out of my head, where Mary Stuart Masterson's character says she's so glad roses have thorns, because otherwise, they would be too perfect, and Christian Slater's character replies there's no such thing as too much perfection. I have not seen that movie in yeeeeeeears, ahaha.

(Oh, wow. I just Googled the soundtrack, because I can remember being obsessed with one track, in particular, in my adolescence, and I realized that it's "Independent Love Song" by Scarlet. I listened to it over and over and freaking over back in the day, blasting it through the headphones of my Discman. And now that I am reading the lyrics? AHAHAHA IT IS SO DIRTY. I used to belt that out when my parents were within earshot. Oh Jesus. [This is almost on par with my 11-year-old self singing TLC's "Red Light Special" at the top of my lungs while helping out in the kitchen. Thank goodness my parents were content to not pay too much attention to the words coming out of the stereo, or my unawares mouth.])



I think you should watch this. Because you hate Zooey Deschenal and it's really funny.

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/Bein'-Quirky-with-Zooey-Deschanel/1384660

eta I think you'll have to copy and paste the link. It got cut somehow.

Edited at 2012-06-18 08:24 pm (UTC)

I LOVE THAT SKETCH SO MUCH.

So in the beginning of S6 we see Jack put on his watch, face down. Why do you think he does this?

(is it pathetic that ever since that day, I've done the same thing?) ;-P

If that's too "in the weeds" here's another: your biggest pet peeve of fandom/fanfic?

AHAHAHAHAHAHA. I have seen the beginning of S6 exactly once, and I freely admit that I did not notice this happening. So I feel as if I'll ill qualified to answer that question! I'm intrigued now though. When stuff like that happens I always wonder whether it's an oversight on the part of the continuity people or it's supposed to have some deeper meaning.

My biggest pet peeve in fandom is idiotic people. I guess that's a wide net, but there is just so much stupid out there. Thank goodness there's also a lot of smart to go with it. *snuggles my LJ friends* I just can't deal with the ludicrous nature of most fandom arguments. One of my concentrations in grad school was rhetoric, and when I see people using argument the way they often do in fandom, I kind of need to bash my head into a wall.

My biggest peeve in fanfic is OOC writing. I can handle lame descriptions, misplaced commas, etc. -- all that I'm willing to forgive. But when someone writes Renee spending an hour selecting toenail polish, lotioning her legs, and trying to decide what to wear, I'm pretty much like, "Take your Mary Sue ass OUT of my life."

Bwah. That was a long answer. Sorry. Moar coffee!

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